Bodrero: A good deal younger than I. I'm 77 now, and he must be about 60; not more. About the same age as Jack Miller. The name "model department" is deceptive. Very few models were made, except, as I say, by these two brothers. I didn't work on Pinocchio, but they made models of things like the coach, and they worked out the springing, and stuff like that on the coach, and the weight and so forth, and then ran it over certain rough terrain, so that it gave the actual movement of a coach. Then they made movies of that and gave it to the animators.
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